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	<title>Comments on: Camel Eye shares knowledge around Akwesasne</title>
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		<title>By: Billy Jack Douthwright</title>
		<link>http://www.akwesasnewomensfire.com/government/camel-eye-treaty-akwesasne-onkwehonwe/comment-page-1/#comment-95</link>
		<dc:creator>Billy Jack Douthwright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 17:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Monica &amp; Cyrus,

 I&#039;m glad Monica, that in your posts you got around to clearly connecting &#039;Divine Law&#039; &amp; &#039;Natural Law&#039;! I must say that I prefer to always go with &#039;Natural Law&#039;, in large part because of the blatant historical fallacies of &#039;Christian&#039; thinking  that can be inferred semantically when using a term such as &#039;Divine Law&#039;.
 On other subject matter related to this post:
 Universal Archetypes:
 - I am also interested in the subject of how it is that civilizations the world over arrived at creative insights that happen to align in the form of archetypal symbols, particular examples being the &#039;swastika&#039; &amp; &#039;infinity&#039;... ,  however, in contrast to the notion that a reliable authenticate-able historical succession of treaty tying Onkwehonwe to ancient Egyptian society does/or even could exist, my own supposition nowadays is that, the coincidence of the emergence of archetypal symbols might have to do with an innate cognition patterning to our brain/mind/reasoning structural biology as a species, and am ready to go as far as to be speculating now that on an even more fundamental level we have each as individuals, access to an inheritance of &#039;genetic memory&#039; containing ready structural inference to such basic formations, so yes a &#039;helical&#039; structural formation would be another obvious one!

Origins of Onkwehonwe:
- I am most convinced, so far, that there is/could be a solid finding in the anthropological findings indicating that so called &quot;Iroquoian&quot; speaking peoples arrived on this continent from the &#039; &quot;European&quot; &#039; continent during a recent ice age when &quot;Clovis&quot; peoples &#039;existed&#039;... I am not an anthropologist and do not have much more available info, whatever that stream of scientific inquiry/study adds on the subject I&#039;ll be paying attention to out of lay interest, what drew my attention is that aspects of specific theories linking similar carbon-date-able hieroglyphs from the two regions to support this theory from a human civilization cultural perspective, that also has proposed interpretations associable with the historical ecological conditions to representing main food sources of the society-societies, happen to be the same as what I&#039;ve been pre-occupied with in my art, surprising and naturally peaked my curiosity...

Study/Education:
- I think too that Cyrus&#039; relating how he follows his curiosity as a learning/study method resonates quite precisely with what I understand to be the Onkwehonwe philosophy about teaching &amp; learning, that children or anyone are/is best encouraged to learn something really well &amp; truly=&#039;by heart&#039;, by not being forced or overly prescribed as to how they ought to learn about anything, but instead that when one is interested/shows interest in a subject is the appropriate time to provide as much knowledge on that subject that they are ready to take on/study/absorb, and, I think that, as with all of the apparently unassailable soundness of reasoning that one finds in Ongwehonwe traditions, that this is the best &amp; by far most effective way to teach/learn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Monica &amp; Cyrus,</p>
<p> I&#8217;m glad Monica, that in your posts you got around to clearly connecting &#8216;Divine Law&#8217; &amp; &#8216;Natural Law&#8217;! I must say that I prefer to always go with &#8216;Natural Law&#8217;, in large part because of the blatant historical fallacies of &#8216;Christian&#8217; thinking  that can be inferred semantically when using a term such as &#8216;Divine Law&#8217;.<br />
 On other subject matter related to this post:<br />
 Universal Archetypes:<br />
 &#8211; I am also interested in the subject of how it is that civilizations the world over arrived at creative insights that happen to align in the form of archetypal symbols, particular examples being the &#8217;swastika&#8217; &amp; &#8216;infinity&#8217;&#8230; ,  however, in contrast to the notion that a reliable authenticate-able historical succession of treaty tying Onkwehonwe to ancient Egyptian society does/or even could exist, my own supposition nowadays is that, the coincidence of the emergence of archetypal symbols might have to do with an innate cognition patterning to our brain/mind/reasoning structural biology as a species, and am ready to go as far as to be speculating now that on an even more fundamental level we have each as individuals, access to an inheritance of &#8216;genetic memory&#8217; containing ready structural inference to such basic formations, so yes a &#8216;helical&#8217; structural formation would be another obvious one!</p>
<p>Origins of Onkwehonwe:<br />
- I am most convinced, so far, that there is/could be a solid finding in the anthropological findings indicating that so called &#8220;Iroquoian&#8221; speaking peoples arrived on this continent from the &#8216; &#8220;European&#8221; &#8216; continent during a recent ice age when &#8220;Clovis&#8221; peoples &#8216;existed&#8217;&#8230; I am not an anthropologist and do not have much more available info, whatever that stream of scientific inquiry/study adds on the subject I&#8217;ll be paying attention to out of lay interest, what drew my attention is that aspects of specific theories linking similar carbon-date-able hieroglyphs from the two regions to support this theory from a human civilization cultural perspective, that also has proposed interpretations associable with the historical ecological conditions to representing main food sources of the society-societies, happen to be the same as what I&#8217;ve been pre-occupied with in my art, surprising and naturally peaked my curiosity&#8230;</p>
<p>Study/Education:<br />
- I think too that Cyrus&#8217; relating how he follows his curiosity as a learning/study method resonates quite precisely with what I understand to be the Onkwehonwe philosophy about teaching &amp; learning, that children or anyone are/is best encouraged to learn something really well &amp; truly=&#8217;by heart&#8217;, by not being forced or overly prescribed as to how they ought to learn about anything, but instead that when one is interested/shows interest in a subject is the appropriate time to provide as much knowledge on that subject that they are ready to take on/study/absorb, and, I think that, as with all of the apparently unassailable soundness of reasoning that one finds in Ongwehonwe traditions, that this is the best &amp; by far most effective way to teach/learn.</p>
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		<title>By: Monica Peters</title>
		<link>http://www.akwesasnewomensfire.com/government/camel-eye-treaty-akwesasne-onkwehonwe/comment-page-1/#comment-90</link>
		<dc:creator>Monica Peters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 23:08:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cyrus, 
I hope you understand that I speak for only myself?  

It&#039;s not accurate to refer to me as &#039;believer&#039; nor &#039;follower&#039;.  I research and question everything about what is going on in my community and family.  I do the best I can to share what I discover with transparency.

I am Onkwehonwe. My family tree ancestry begins on Turtle Island.

I am a free spirit that sincerely enjoys learning all I can without asking permission from artificial man made laws.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cyrus,<br />
I hope you understand that I speak for only myself?  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s not accurate to refer to me as &#8216;believer&#8217; nor &#8216;follower&#8217;.  I research and question everything about what is going on in my community and family.  I do the best I can to share what I discover with transparency.</p>
<p>I am Onkwehonwe. My family tree ancestry begins on Turtle Island.</p>
<p>I am a free spirit that sincerely enjoys learning all I can without asking permission from artificial man made laws.</p>
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		<title>By: Monica Peters</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monica Peters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 22:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She:kon Cyrus, 
First I have to let you know that I only just started researching the topic of Camel Eye.  It&#039;s also referred to as Eagle Bowl and other names.

I think it will be a good idea for me to post another topic regarding Divine Law vs. 2nd Law of the Land (man made law).

To answer your question about entering Cornwall:
I have some recent video that I still need to process and upload.  I went to the cornwall cbsa checkpoint at the edge of our bridge, when we first got word that they were stealing cars and holding them for ransom.   

I walked freely back and forth between our bridge and all over brookdale avenue, with my cameras.  I did not ask permission from any canadian, to roam around our homeland.  Many of us, that know about how the english language terms are being used against us..... many of us continued to roam around freely.

I made the mistake to assume some of the younger people understood Natural Law too, and I went back to my office to process the videos I shot.  Within an hour, we received phone calls that police were threatening to arrest Onkwehonwe that are not experienced with &#039;roaming freely at large&#039; around our homelands.

Divine Law is Natural Law.  more on the way later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She:kon Cyrus,<br />
First I have to let you know that I only just started researching the topic of Camel Eye.  It&#8217;s also referred to as Eagle Bowl and other names.</p>
<p>I think it will be a good idea for me to post another topic regarding Divine Law vs. 2nd Law of the Land (man made law).</p>
<p>To answer your question about entering Cornwall:<br />
I have some recent video that I still need to process and upload.  I went to the cornwall cbsa checkpoint at the edge of our bridge, when we first got word that they were stealing cars and holding them for ransom.   </p>
<p>I walked freely back and forth between our bridge and all over brookdale avenue, with my cameras.  I did not ask permission from any canadian, to roam around our homeland.  Many of us, that know about how the english language terms are being used against us&#8230;.. many of us continued to roam around freely.</p>
<p>I made the mistake to assume some of the younger people understood Natural Law too, and I went back to my office to process the videos I shot.  Within an hour, we received phone calls that police were threatening to arrest Onkwehonwe that are not experienced with &#8216;roaming freely at large&#8217; around our homelands.</p>
<p>Divine Law is Natural Law.  more on the way later.</p>
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		<title>By: cyrusyounger</title>
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		<dc:creator>cyrusyounger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 22:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please fill me in. &quot;What is the Camel’s Eye Treaty? How does it affect Akwesasne?&quot; 
I watched the videos, as you said, made notes and asked you to clarify a few points from them.(You said you were in the middle of the funeral procession incident) I understand that when the bridge was closed, &quot;softspoken&quot; people and &quot;clan mothers&quot; were denied access to the &quot;Corporations&quot; &quot;barricaded&quot; property. 

&quot;Some of us would go to each side of the bridges, get in front of our softspoken friends, and DEMAND that they get out of our way as we roam freely around our community. That works, because that is Divine Law, or 1st Law of the Land. &quot; 
People have entered Cornwall by Demanding the CBSA step aside? And that works?

Is the Camel&#039;s Eye Treaty a Divine Law?  a belief?

I&#039;ll look around for more info(i&#039;ll add what i find), i just though that believers could explain some of it better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please fill me in. &#8220;What is the Camel’s Eye Treaty? How does it affect Akwesasne?&#8221;<br />
I watched the videos, as you said, made notes and asked you to clarify a few points from them.(You said you were in the middle of the funeral procession incident) I understand that when the bridge was closed, &#8220;softspoken&#8221; people and &#8220;clan mothers&#8221; were denied access to the &#8220;Corporations&#8221; &#8220;barricaded&#8221; property. </p>
<p>&#8220;Some of us would go to each side of the bridges, get in front of our softspoken friends, and DEMAND that they get out of our way as we roam freely around our community. That works, because that is Divine Law, or 1st Law of the Land. &#8221;<br />
People have entered Cornwall by Demanding the CBSA step aside? And that works?</p>
<p>Is the Camel&#8217;s Eye Treaty a Divine Law?  a belief?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll look around for more info(i&#8217;ll add what i find), i just though that believers could explain some of it better.</p>
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		<title>By: Monica Peters</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monica Peters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 19:11:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Onkwehonwe are not property of canada, british north american act, nor of usa.   

Mohawk became property and are subject to anything that the corporations of canada, usa, and british north american act decide.  

It&#039;s an ugly truth that we must acknowledge, if we are to remember and discover who we really are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Onkwehonwe are not property of canada, british north american act, nor of usa.   </p>
<p>Mohawk became property and are subject to anything that the corporations of canada, usa, and british north american act decide.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s an ugly truth that we must acknowledge, if we are to remember and discover who we really are.</p>
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		<title>By: Monica Peters</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monica Peters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 19:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Check out Audio files on this site.   Actually the CBSA union and Seaway Corporation hired the usa border, ny state troopers, etc to barracade our roads to our homes.   that union and corporation does NOT own Onkwehonwe homelands!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check out Audio files on this site.   Actually the CBSA union and Seaway Corporation hired the usa border, ny state troopers, etc to barracade our roads to our homes.   that union and corporation does NOT own Onkwehonwe homelands!</p>
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		<title>By: Monica Peters</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monica Peters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 19:07:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CyrusYounger, I think you may have missed some of the incidents here in Akwesasne, so you just don&#039;t have all the info.  

For Example: anyone here that is softspoken, claimed to be Mohawk, claimed to be travelling to/from usa/canada were outright denied access to island and forced to drive hours out of their way.

Some of us would go to each side of the bridges, get in front of our softspoken friends, and DEMAND that they get out of our way as we roam freely around our community.  That works, because that is Divine Law, or 1st Law of the Land.   That is how free Onkwehonwe behave.  

Clan mothers that are given permission to exist from the British North American Act, Canada, or USA were also denied access.

I&#039;m putting out as much info as I can as fast as I can.  My time and resources are limited, so I hope you make time to continue looking at everything you do have access too.

Find the audio files on this site.  Sometimes when some of us DEMANDED that the government agents get their barracades out of our faces....   we were not all softspoken, gentle, or even kind.

The key to our Sovereignty is literally in the Language, Terminology that we speak with and how we choose to exist and what we choose to allow others to refer to us as.  More to come.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CyrusYounger, I think you may have missed some of the incidents here in Akwesasne, so you just don&#8217;t have all the info.  </p>
<p>For Example: anyone here that is softspoken, claimed to be Mohawk, claimed to be travelling to/from usa/canada were outright denied access to island and forced to drive hours out of their way.</p>
<p>Some of us would go to each side of the bridges, get in front of our softspoken friends, and DEMAND that they get out of our way as we roam freely around our community.  That works, because that is Divine Law, or 1st Law of the Land.   That is how free Onkwehonwe behave.  </p>
<p>Clan mothers that are given permission to exist from the British North American Act, Canada, or USA were also denied access.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m putting out as much info as I can as fast as I can.  My time and resources are limited, so I hope you make time to continue looking at everything you do have access too.</p>
<p>Find the audio files on this site.  Sometimes when some of us DEMANDED that the government agents get their barracades out of our faces&#8230;.   we were not all softspoken, gentle, or even kind.</p>
<p>The key to our Sovereignty is literally in the Language, Terminology that we speak with and how we choose to exist and what we choose to allow others to refer to us as.  More to come.</p>
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		<title>By: cyrusyounger</title>
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		<dc:creator>cyrusyounger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 18:49:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Watched the video&#039;s for July 4, 6, &amp; 8. 
On the 4th, from the CBP perspective, crossing the border was not at issue: the Property Owner--Bridge Authority--was denying access to their property. The CBP were assisting in the closure of the Bridge. The CBP had advised the procession that they were not being denied the right to freely travel, there are alternate crossings(although inconvenient). The Property Owner eventually granted passage to the procession. Three or more parties could claim to have been responsible for openning the border since the CBP Agent announced the permission for the procession to them. (The Property Owner was responsible)
In part 3of3, the Camel&#039;s Eye Treaty was represented as a Papal Bull Treaty, correct? 

On the 5th-6th, The Bridge was open, the CBP were receiving traffic from the north. Since this was now a border crossing issue, The CBP Agents could not deny people from leaving the USA, without prior cause. People were representing themselves as peaceful, were informed of possible violations to Canada Law, and were than allowed to proceed. 

On the 8th: People were informed of the same possible violations to Canada Law, and were allowed to proceed with their vehicles after inspection. 

The Camel&#039;s Eye Treaty was not mentioned on the 5-6th when the people crossed, they did say they represented: &quot;Bear Clan&quot;, &quot;Clan Mothers&quot;, &quot;Peace&quot;, Respect,&quot; and &quot;Good Intentions.&quot;  
Kanietakeron aserted that the &quot;Clan Mothers&quot; were the First Law of the land, and was a &quot;Divine Law&quot;.  What is a Divine Law?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Watched the video&#8217;s for July 4, 6, &amp; 8.<br />
On the 4th, from the CBP perspective, crossing the border was not at issue: the Property Owner&#8211;Bridge Authority&#8211;was denying access to their property. The CBP were assisting in the closure of the Bridge. The CBP had advised the procession that they were not being denied the right to freely travel, there are alternate crossings(although inconvenient). The Property Owner eventually granted passage to the procession. Three or more parties could claim to have been responsible for openning the border since the CBP Agent announced the permission for the procession to them. (The Property Owner was responsible)<br />
In part 3of3, the Camel&#8217;s Eye Treaty was represented as a Papal Bull Treaty, correct? </p>
<p>On the 5th-6th, The Bridge was open, the CBP were receiving traffic from the north. Since this was now a border crossing issue, The CBP Agents could not deny people from leaving the USA, without prior cause. People were representing themselves as peaceful, were informed of possible violations to Canada Law, and were than allowed to proceed. </p>
<p>On the 8th: People were informed of the same possible violations to Canada Law, and were allowed to proceed with their vehicles after inspection. </p>
<p>The Camel&#8217;s Eye Treaty was not mentioned on the 5-6th when the people crossed, they did say they represented: &#8220;Bear Clan&#8221;, &#8220;Clan Mothers&#8221;, &#8220;Peace&#8221;, Respect,&#8221; and &#8220;Good Intentions.&#8221;<br />
Kanietakeron aserted that the &#8220;Clan Mothers&#8221; were the First Law of the land, and was a &#8220;Divine Law&#8221;.  What is a Divine Law?</p>
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		<title>By: Monica Peters</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monica Peters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:20:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She:kon Cyrus,   Check out the videos at 
http://www.YouTube.com/monigarr

I started taking a more serious look at Camel Eye, after I was in the middle of the incident, where ny troopers, usa border, police, etc.... refused to let a funeral procession proceed with a funeral here in Akwesasne.  The usa gov. agents were nasty and rude to the traditionals, themmohawk nation, srmt and certain Mohawk people here.

Then people that renounced &#039;Mohawk&#039; and any type of citizenship of usa / canada, showed up at the scene.  The gov agents listented to those non-Mohawks and let the funeral procession continue in Akwesasne.  ** see the videos

That day and many other events around Akwesasne that I&#039;ve witnessed with my own eyes and ears, caused me to start looking at Camel Eye more serious.  Even our traditional elders are taking a serious look at it, because of the events and experiences that are happening around it, here in Akwesasne.

Much more information is available around Akwesasne.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She:kon Cyrus,   Check out the videos at<br />
<a href="http://www.YouTube.com/monigarr" rel="nofollow">http://www.YouTube.com/monigarr</a></p>
<p>I started taking a more serious look at Camel Eye, after I was in the middle of the incident, where ny troopers, usa border, police, etc&#8230;. refused to let a funeral procession proceed with a funeral here in Akwesasne.  The usa gov. agents were nasty and rude to the traditionals, themmohawk nation, srmt and certain Mohawk people here.</p>
<p>Then people that renounced &#8216;Mohawk&#8217; and any type of citizenship of usa / canada, showed up at the scene.  The gov agents listented to those non-Mohawks and let the funeral procession continue in Akwesasne.  ** see the videos</p>
<p>That day and many other events around Akwesasne that I&#8217;ve witnessed with my own eyes and ears, caused me to start looking at Camel Eye more serious.  Even our traditional elders are taking a serious look at it, because of the events and experiences that are happening around it, here in Akwesasne.</p>
<p>Much more information is available around Akwesasne.</p>
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		<title>By: cyrusyounger</title>
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		<dc:creator>cyrusyounger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 14:21:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is the Camel&#039;s Eye Treaty?  How does it affect Akwesasne?</description>
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		<title>By: Monica Peters</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monica Peters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 22:08:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jesus warned that it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven (Matthew 19:2326).   I personally find the bible an entertaining read, in the past.  Now I am interested to take another fresh look at all the information that is tossed around during our time here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jesus warned that it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven (Matthew 19:2326).   I personally find the bible an entertaining read, in the past.  Now I am interested to take another fresh look at all the information that is tossed around during our time here.</p>
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